social.dk-libre.fr is a Fediverse instance that uses the ActivityPub protocol. In other words, users at this host can communicate with people that use software like Mastodon, Pleroma, Friendica, etc. all around the world.
This server runs the snac software and there is no automatic sign-up process.
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#memes #politics #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat
Moin liebe Gemeinde,
Gestern den ganzen Tag damit verbracht bei einem Freund seine Notebooks (ältere) auf Linux Mint um zu stellen und einzurichten. Ebenso sein Drucker übers Netzwerk an die Notebooks einzubinden und auch sein iPhone, zusätzlich gab es auch noch Delta Chat aufs iPhone als alternativ Messenger. War ein langer aber auch schöner sowie erfolgreicher Tag.
ArcaneChat / DeltaChat channel for you:
Debugging Memes - developer&linux memes, open source and other nerdy and tech related stuff, to join click here:
discover that and many more channels at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
#memes #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #linux #opensource #gnulinux #developers #development #dev #ai
Endlich weg von WhatsApp?
Jeder Chat weniger bei Meta ist ein kleiner Gewinn.
Am Sonntag ist #DigitalIndependenceDay. Die AG Digitale Selbstverteidigung zeigt, welche Alternativen es gibt und wie der Umstieg klappt: mit Signal und Delta Chat.
Delta Chat richten wir gemeinsam Schritt für Schritt ein. Lieblingsmenschen am besten gleich mitbringen. Dann steht der neue Kommunikationsweg noch vor dem Mittagessen und WhatsApp kann langsam verstauben.
So., 4.10.2026, 11:00–12:30 Uhr
online, ohne Anmeldung
https://digitalcourage.de/termine/2026/diday-signal-und-deltachat-statt-whatsapp
"But I want people who try it to be conscious about current limitations so I’ve listed them here"
Thanks for exploring this. These details matter. What emerged for me, as learned more about how Deltachat groups work:
What Deltachat doesn't accommodate is something between a "Group" ("many-to-many", each group member is "equal"), and a "Channel" ("one-to-many", like an email listserv). Should one desire the thing in between (a few privileged Group admins have veto powers over the non-privileged group members), Deltachat doesn't seem to do that ("few-to-many").
Having said this, Signal groups were like that when they were first introduced (were "many-to-many", not "few-to-many"). It's possible #DeltaChat groups will evolve along the same lines as Signal unless there's a fundamental architectural reason that it can't
@ploum @delta Thanks for exploring this. These details matter. What emerged for me, as learned more about how Deltachat groups work:
What Deltachat doesn't accommodate is something between a "Group" ("many-to-many", each group member is "equal"), and a "Channel" ("one-to-many", like an email listserv). Should one desire the thing in between (a few privileged Group admins have veto powers over the non-privileged group members), Deltachat doesn't seem to do that ("few-to-many").
Having said this, Signal groups were like that when they were first introduced (were "many-to-many", not "few-to-many"). It's possible #DeltaChat groups will evolve along the same lines as Signal unless there's a fundamental architectural reason that it can't
I see a lot of potential behind @delta decentralized model (which, unlike XMPP, is not federated).
And given the enthusiasm for my own channel, it seems I’m not alone.
Try it out, here are some channels:
https://support.delta.chat/t/collecting-a-list-of-all-public-broadcast-channels/5427
But I want people who try it to be conscious about current limitations so I’ve listed them here:
https://support.delta.chat/t/what-are-actual-delta-chat-limitations/5845
(you can contribute by login into the forum with your #deltachat account, which is awesome. True decentralized identity!)
Je commence à regarder #deltachat pour voir si ça peut remplacer matrix pour nos échanges familiaux au quotidien.
Premier obstacle que je rencontre: ça manque d'infos en français pour présenter le concept à des personnes qui ont très peu d'attrait pour la technique.
Le but étant surtout de rassurer sur les conséquences d'une fausse manip ou sur comment utiliser plusieurs clients; comprendre les profils...
Le manque de client web m'embête un peu pour mon utilisation perso.
Hey, @delta what's the difference between the version of the apps on Google Play and F-Droid? Curious Pixel 11 user here wishing to know. #DeltaChat #Android #GooglePlay #FDroid #Question
I posted on the forum why I believe that @delta has everything to gain from adopting a strong anti-LLM policy and nearly nothing to lose.
The "pragmatic" approach seems to be strongly anti-AI when you try to be "rationale"
But I realize just now that this could apply to many other projects. I’m looking at you, #debian
https://support.delta.chat/t/any-official-position-on-the-use-of-ai/5039/104?u=ploum
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Petite victoire du jour : mon collégien a convaincu 2 copain·e·s d'utiliser Delta Chat https://delta.chat/fr/ 😁😅
(Les arguments qui ont fait mouche au près des parents :
Sécurité : on ne peut pas contacter si on ne connaît pas réellement
Version desktop : permet d'utiliser sur l'ordinateur familiale, donc sous contrôle parental)
> Un des problèmes actuels de Deltachat, c'est la centralisation de fait. Un peu tout le monde choisi le serveur "nine.testrun.org"
that was just an intermediate step, nine.testrun.org was offered as a stable relay, choosing randomly could end up in using a poorly maintained relay that got abandoned and then you or your family would be left like "Delta Chat doesn't work anymore"
anyways, good news! finally since the release 2.62.0 nine.testrun.org is no longer the hard-coded relay! now 3 random relays are chosen and used! so if one goes down the others will be used without ending up with a dead relay, and further improvements will come in this area, as replacing relays that stopped working automatically, learning new relays from the ones used by your peers etc.
so in fact Delta Chat right now is at the peak of #decentralization, way above #Matrix, #XMPP, #Mastodon and any other decentralized platform, because it is not only decentralized but it is "multi-homing", in other decentralized platforms if your server dies your profile is lost and you have to start all over, in #DeltaChat you can have several home servers at the same time and even replace them on the fly while keeping all your chats, contacts, messages, groups, channels, etc. your profile lives in your devices, not in any server
J’ai eu mon premier appel audio sur @delta avec @tirodem je suis désormais les canaux de @sebsauvage et de @brunoleyval , j’ai des discussions avec des contacts.
Bref, alors que je voulais simplement tester, je commence à utiliser DeltaChat pour de vrai ! Et c’est plus léger/rapide que @signalapp (bon, ça reste encore assez expérimental par bien des aspects).
Plusieurs lecteurs me disent suivre désormais Ploum.net principalement via mon canal:
@delta
I have a question about delta chat, does anybody know the answer?:
-How to know how many devices are connected with my account? I tried to disconnect a device and I am not able to find this. Is this even possible? Security-wise is not good not to know.
#deltaChat '
Haack's Networking
🔗 https://haacksnetworking.dev
✍️ Looking for a community floss instance but don't have the time or resources to #selfhost it?
💲 Limited resources and/or none, but want something secure and reliable anyway?
‼️ You've found your place ... welcome to the #PubGLUG community offerings. These instances are run by Jonathan and other volunteers who strive to make #floss accessible and #gratis for everyone.
❓️ We also host a community #matrix and #deltachat where you can ask questions about the provided services and/or hit us for tips on how to spin up your own!
🔗 https://chat.gnulinux.online
🔗 https://matrix.to/#/#introductions:gnulinux.club
📜 This is a labor of love and lifelong passion of Jonathan's as well as his community volunteers. If you want to get involved, hit us up above, and if you want to give back, you can donate using the #liberapay link below:
Connected my phone to WireGuard, working just fine here. Noticed after I disconnected WireGuard, the #DeltaChat relays continue to send PUSH+ACK packets to the WireGuard IP for 5 even 10 minutes after it's disconnected. Are the timeouts really long on DeltaChat relays? I think only @stefano 's relay actually sent a RST+ACK and stopped sending packets, but the other two relays I connect to continue to send PSH+ACK over and over.
oh ! je découvre qu'il existe un client Delta Chat *natif* pour Jolla SailfishOS
https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/piirit-a-native-sailfish-os-client-for-delta-chat/33806
(poke @ParadeGrotesque et je ne sais plus qui d'autre qui a sauté le pas vers SailfishOS il y a peu)
C'est de plus en plus intéressant cette alternative.
ArcaneChat / DeltaChat channel for you:
Debugging Memes - developer&linux memes, open source and other nerdy and tech related stuff, to join click here:
discover that and many more channels at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
#memes #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #linux #opensource #gnulinux #developers #development #dev #ai #genai
I would like a #sysadmin dashboard as a #deltachat app.
I figured very quickly how to send notifications through delta chat... I'm sold.
But, do you think a dashboard with current alerts / recoveries sent by a bot would be feasible? It doesn't have to be interactive (actually I'd prefer no interactivity)
I'm not very fluent in web tools...

Haack's Networking
✍️ We recently migrated from legacy email to chatmail for our Delta Chat implementation. In so doing, we retained the legacy Dreamhost account for sending alerts because it was not connected to chatmail, nor either server we manage. Unfortunately, Dreamhost is not playing nice with happy eyeballs and keeps timing out client connections.
💡 So, although it is inconvenient, we are going to migrate the broadcast channel to a new source account. We've added three backup relays to that source account to ensure deliverability of alerts. For those of you who use some or all PubGLUG services, please migrate to the new channel. Thanks for patience 🙏
@whynothugo I don't find xmpp so nice of a protocol for several reasons and design choices, but let's be honest, if even #DeltaChat managed to repurpose #email (#smtp + #imap) for chatting and make a nice well integrated cross-platform multi-profile and multi-device supporting client, that on top of that doesn't even make your profile depend on a single server,
I think we don't really need more protocols, xmpp is good enough (anything that just sends encrypted blobs around is good enough actually), and someone could have done the same what Delta Chat did but using XMPP protocol, probably just for sending messages around, without using quite some of the bloat / polemic features of XMPP, like groups depending on the server where you create them and ending up being unencrypted, etc. (in Delta Chat groups are always encrypted forever, encryption can't degrade)
sadly no one did that so far
@futurebird you're right, and it's a quagmire that can never be resolved. There are the geeks like us who "get it" - it was never supposed to be HTML-ized, and can only lead to a bunch of technical problems. Then there are the marketing types who get out of bed in the morning to make their marketing campaigns "stand out" **by any means**. They would include shockwave flash if only they could get away with it. **There's no magic wand we can wave to lower their narcissistic personality trait.**
Email needs to die, since this difference in perspective is like a gulf that can never be bridged. I would prefer we all used #Deltachat.
Pour celleux qui veulent tester #deltachat, j’ai créé un channel où j’annonce mes billets de blog et parfois, je lance des sondages.
C’est pas super utile si vous me suivez ici ou par RSS, je ne suis pas encore 100% convaincu de comment l’utiliser mais, voilà, certain·e·s aiment.
ça fonctionne également pas mal pour @sebsauvage qui a également le sien.
(en vrai, j’aime bien le protocole derrière Delta Chat ;-) )
#deltachat is now evolving for 9 years. Among the currently active 15-20 contributors a majority joined 5+ years ago, with some joining in the very first year and a few only joining last year.
Patience and perseverance is underrated when it comes to producing something that challenges the status quo of centralized mainstream messaging. Several competitors dropped out by now while many of us feel we are only getting started.
A good read on the patience topic:
#Android #iPhone #GPS #Logiciels
Rappel : Si vous avez besoin de partager votre position en temps réel avec quelqu'un, #DeltaChat c'est une excellente solution.
Non seulement ça marche bien, mais c'est chiffré de bout en bout.
Vous pouvez même faire des groupes et partager à volonté votre position sur la durée de votre choix avec le groupe. Ça permet d'avoir tout le monde sur la carte.
RE: https://gnulinux.social/@oemb1905/117239485825065110
👌🏼Open for public registration. If you need an alternate relay, https://mail.haacknet.org is also up. You can additionally receive status and uptime alerts via a separate and dedicated Delta Chat broadcast channel:
#deltachat #chatmail #email #privacy #e2ee #linux #floss #opensource #gnulinux #pubglug
Haack's Networking
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🥚 The newest member of the Public GNU/Linux Users Group has hatched! Everyone, please welcome our Delta Chat chatmail server:
🔗 https://mail.gnulinux.online
✍️ Again, the full list of community servers that Haack's Networking and community volunteers steward can be found here:
🔗 https://haacksnetworking.dev
💡 Need help in open source and floss space? Hit us up on the Matrix! Want a privacy centered and free Masto? We are open for reg! Want to create floss content, swing by our PeerTube ... and there's much more!
#gnulinux #freesoftware #opensource #debian #selfhosted #sysadmin #linux #gnulinux #community
Haack's Networking
🚨 Please join the PubGLUG Alerts channel on Delta Chat to receive important announcements about uptime, downed lines, route outages, upgrades, backups, and more ‼️
✍️ This account is managed by a Dreamhost-based email, so it is not connected to either the primary and co-located server at Brown Rice, nor the backup and auxiliary dedicated host at Pebble Host ⚡️
💡 For those of you using PubGLUG-based chatmail servers, it is recommended that you join this channel with a personal email not connected to either service, as you count use something that's down to monitor status about it being down 🙃
👀 And, if you are looking to reach me - Jonathan Haack - personally, then use this link to DM me if/when you have questions, concerns, inquiries, or what have you. My DMs are open but/and mind your manners or you might get 🔨
#deltachat #chatmail #pubglug #alerts #outages #selfhosted #sysadmin #community #dreamhost #hosting
Haack's Networking
🔗 https://content.haacksnetworking.org/w/ddXeefRJ8rw9zeUZRiiRg3
✍️ We are live now folks! Tonight, just chilling and trying to spread positive vibes while researching:
1️⃣ post quantum encryption
2️⃣ kex, mtu, and ssh issues with tunnels
3️⃣ chatmail and pgp, legacy email, DC
🎶 As always, should have some music going as well. Come on by and spam me in chat!
#deltachat #pgp #sysadmin #selfhosted #stream #linuxstreaming #debian #kex #mtu #ssh #chatmail #dovecot #postfix
just out of curiosity poll:
which features do you think are missing the most in #ArcaneChat to be the definitive replacement for you main chat app?
(sadly the poll feature here is limited to 4 options, if there is something more important to you than these leave it in the comments, it is still interesting to know which of these 4 is more important to you so still vote!)
#poll #boost #boostwelcome #DeltaChat #chatmail
| "big"/+50MB file attachments: | 13 |
| group videocalls: | 12 |
| administrator role for groups: | 31 |
| post-quantum encryption & PFS: | 17 |
RE: https://fosstodon.org/@arcanechat/117231712065987303
are you a #ArcaneChat or #DeltaChat user??? you might want to vote in this poll!
just out of curiosity poll:
which features do you think are missing the most in #ArcaneChat to be the definitive replacement for you main chat app?
#poll #boost #boostwelcome #DeltaChat #chatmail
"big"/+50MB file attachments: 0 group videocalls: 0 administrator role for groups: 0 post-quantum encryption & PFS: 0
this is why people shouldn't be using centralized trash platforms like Instagram
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#meta #instagram #muse #memes #politics #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat
RE: https://fosstuts.net/deltachat-une-alternative-a-whatsapp-gratuite-et-securisee-adaptee-aux-enfants/
J'ai créé un site web pour lister des tutoriels et autres petits articles sur le logiciel libre.
Le site tourne sur #WordPress avec l'extension #Activitypub pour le fédérer au Fédiverse.
Vous pouvez donc le suivre si ça vous intéresse, et les commentaires entre le site et le Fédiverse sont rassemblés.
Le handle du site est @fosstuts.
Un premier article sur #deltachat et la suite arrive juste derrière :)
@dada ha je pensais a une Maj matinale... Pas grave, y avait du thé (et puis j'attire de plus en plus de contact sur #deltachat en lieu et place de Signal/Télégram héhé...) 🤗🖖
RE: https://gnulinux.social/@oemb1905/117207500592579116
We are live folks! https://mail.haacknet.org - Let's go!
It's a long weekend ... guess I will hack my legacy #emailserver to include stun/turn for #deltachat and when that's done ... time to spin up a separate #chatmail server.
🔗 https://support.delta.chat/t/how-to-provide-custom-turn-server-settings-when-using-a-classic-email-account/5045
🔗 https://github.com/chatmail/core/blob/main/standards.md#email #sysadmin #debian #linux #freesoftware #floss #selfhosted #selfhostedlife
just out of curiosity poll:
which features do you think are missing the most in #ArcaneChat to be the definitive replacement for you main chat app?
#poll #boost #boostwelcome #DeltaChat #chatmail
| "big"/+50MB file attachments: | 0 |
| group videocalls: | 0 |
| administrator role for groups: | 0 |
| post-quantum encryption & PFS: | 0 |
Pensée fugace là au vu des résultats de merde en Allemagne, en Saxe Anhalt...
Peut-être que tout le monde devrait bien réfléchir à ses moyens de communication avec ses proches, familles, groupes, militantismes, associatifs etc ...
Et donc, rappel que #deltachat est une solution chiffrée de bout en bout, sans nécessiter adresse mail, ni N° de téléphone.
Je veux avoir le droit de dire merde à qui je veux et en compagnie de qui je veux ! ✊🏼
Getting a FastAPI api up and sending a received webhook to my Delta chat contact was an… experience.
Most annoying part was initializing the chat from my phone first and having an event loop solely to fetch messages so the E2E encryption happens properly.
Some of it might have been unnecessary, but there was so much trail an error involved… thread executor pool spun up in the FastAPI lifecycle… I wouldn’t call the result production ready :D
#deltaChat
RE: https://tutut.delire.party/@almet/117212384840591435
ah ah putain c'est 🤮
(passez à Delta Chat https://delta.chat/ les gens, vraiment)
It's a long weekend ... guess I will hack my legacy #emailserver to include stun/turn for #deltachat and when that's done ... time to spin up a separate #chatmail server.
🔗 https://support.delta.chat/t/how-to-provide-custom-turn-server-settings-when-using-a-classic-email-account/5045
🔗 https://github.com/chatmail/core/blob/main/standards.md
#email #sysadmin #debian #linux #freesoftware #floss #selfhosted #selfhostedlife
@oemb1905 No, we are not deprecating using self-hosted email servers with #deltachat ... there are in fact many different types of email servers in use today. However, using Delta Chat as a cleartext email client (especially when you have other email clients reading the same inbox) is not a goal anymore, at least since the V2 releases last year. It's all about end-to-end encryption and using servers in a simplified only-INBOX way, all standards based: https://github.com/chatmail/core/blob/main/standards.md
@oemb1905 @arcanechat #Android to #Android video call was good in #Deltachat.
Calls to and from linux/flatpak <-> Android was good, but you can't pick the webcam. Deltachat in #Linux (flatpak) only wanted to use my poor-quality built-in webcam, not the far-nicer USB webcam.
So iPadOS is the "stinker": it can initiate video calls, but not receive them. It's right up to date: v2.59.1
No stun/turn problems on my Deltachat server!
@oemb1905 @arcanechat I did a quick test between 2 of my own devices. My iPad could initiate a call to my linux desktop/flatpak. But could the linux/flatpak initiate to the iPad? No. Both are using the same Deltachat server.
I think the audio/video call functionality isn't well-tested in #Deltachat yet.
(Edit: issue commented on in github: https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-ios/issues/3107#issuecomment-5517747458
)
@oemb1905 @arcanechat I've got #Deltachat v2.59.1desktop for linux from flatpak. The audio and video calls are only usable in one-on-one chats. A phone icon appears in the upper right. Clicking it reveals a sub-menu with "Audio Call" and "Video Call".
This also applies in Deltachat for Android: no audio/video call in group chat
ArcaneChat / DeltaChat channel for you:
Debugging Memes - developer&linux memes, open source and other nerdy and tech related stuff, to join click here:
discover that and many more channels at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
#memes #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #linux #opensource #gnulinux #developers #development #dev #ai #genai
Also been introducing more local people to the DeltaChat privacy messenger.
Don't hesitate to message me, especially if you are wanting to buy a ThinkCentre mini PC with Linux. I still have some available.
> why would we use ChatMail for messaging apps instead of XMPP or Matrix?
there are several reasons!
first of all, it is the app closer to #WhatsApp appearance that has a multi-platform client with feature parity, you just have to tell people "install Delta Chat" the story is much more complicated with #XMPP
also when moving from one device to another, with #DeltaChat you can import backups from android into desktop etc. this is just not possible in xmpp since backups are not compatible across clients
#matrix server is super expensive/bloated, while you can host +1k users in the cheapest VPS or Raspberry Pi you find
when you host chatmail you have literally almost zero maintenance: accounts get created and removed automatically, messages get also wiped automatically, you don't need to handle account deletion requests etc. server storage is kept low
in matrix and xmpp clients if the server goes down or your server account gets removed you have to start all over in a new profile, you lose all your chats, messages, contacts, etc. with delta chat you can easily migrate servers without losing anything, your profile lives in your device and is owned by you!
you can also use several servers at the same time with Delta Chat meaning if one goes down it doesn't matter you keep receiving messages, this alone set it in a completely different league compared to matrix or xmpp
in matrix a lot of group metadata lives in the server, and in xmpp if the server where you created the group goes down, the group is lost, not even people in other servers can keep chatting in the group, is a big centralization problem
ofc, software and protocols can change, but this is just the reality today, I would not use xmpp or matrix for my family chat when what I get with Delta Chat is a much nicer user experience and much more resilient
J'essaie de faire un truc simple pour expliquer concrètement la prise en main de Delta Chat ( @delta ) en mettant volontairement de coté la technique, pour essayer de séduire le grand public.
(genre les parents d'ado, avant qu'iels ne tombent dans la prison whatsapp)
#Chat
#DeltaChat
#Communication
#ViePrivée
#DonnéesPersonnelles 
ET un petit coucou à l'ami @sebsauvage età tou sles autres, y'a #deltachat qui fait partie de la liste des logiciels référencés (Socle Interministériel des Logiciels Libres)
https://code.gouv.fr/sill/detail?id=552
#jdcjdpr 🖖🏼
I'm giving up on #deltachat I've removed the link from my bio, use Signal to reach me.
It is just an absolute cesspool of AI apologists, and I have no time for that.
The argument seems to be, "It's all open source code, so why do you care that I'm using your code in my AI usage?"
Because you were never willing to pay the authors jack shit for our code, but you'll pay these massive AI vendors to take our code, and use it to autogenerate shit for you.
Fuck you people.
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Debugging Memes - developer&linux memes, open source and other nerdy and tech related stuff, to join click here:
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#DeltaChat is also federated. It's based on the email protocols, and email is of course federated.
I do think #XMPP is the more elegant system, though. Email, which Delta is based on, relies on two different protocols—one to send messages and another completely different one to receive them—and in my experience the server software is complicated and difficult to manage.
Madmail is a chatmail server for Delta Chat. It is not a messenger.
It is the layer that creates accounts, holds mail, moves it between relays, and sets up calls. It ships as one binary.
It started as Maddy: we patched that Go mail server for conditions in Iran so it would come up on a public IP, with no domain.
That fork became Madmail.
The current version is a Rust rewrite.
That is the use it had during Iran’s internet shutdowns. When international connectivity is cut, WhatsApp, Telegram, and anything whose servers sit outside the border go dark. If the relay is inside the country and on the national network, Delta Chat still works between people inside.
The bottleneck was standing the relay up. We built Madmail for that bottleneck: one file, an IP is enough, a running server can hand the installer to the next person, and the docs stay on the box.
The features come from that need. Accounts are created on first use; there is no separate signup form. Only PGP mail is accepted. SMTP, IMAP, and HTTP federation on `/mxdeliv` run in the same process; SMTP is the fallback. The relay’s site issues a QR code and an invite link, speaks Persian, English, and Russian, and can host a WebXDC app store. TURN and Iroh are built in for calls and mini-apps. There is an admin API and a web panel. Linux and Windows. A domain is optional.
When two relays cannot reach each other blocked port, split DNS, filtering an exchanger moves the same messages over HTTPS between those servers and does not open the PGP lock. It does not bring the outside internet back. It only carries mail between chatmail relays.
https://madmail.chat
https://github.com/themadorg/madmail
https://github.com/themadorg/madexchanger
@ploum Au bout de combien de téléchargement du logiciel il y aura des gros titres dans toute la presse :
DeltaChat, la messagerie des traficants et des criminels ?
Das war ein ordentliches Stück Arbeit. Unsere ehrenamtliche AG Digitale Selbstverteidigung hat unsere #Messenger-Empfehlungen grundlegend überarbeitet:
#Signal bleibt beste Kompromisslösung. #XMPP und #Matrix kriegen von uns weiterhin Bestwertung, wurden aber aus den "Empfehlungen für Eilige" vom Newcomer #DeltaChat (nach intensiver Prüfung und Diskussion) verdrängt.
Die Kriterien sind überarbeitet und übersichtlicher dargestellt. Dank an alle, die mitgearbeitet haben!
https://digitalcourage.de/digitale-selbstverteidigung/messenger
Expérience : un canal #deltachat sur lequel j’annoncerai les nouveaux billets de blog :
Pour celleux qui n’aiment ni le RSS ni la mailing-liste. Je suis pas certain que ce soit utile mais je suis assez fan de Delta Chat alors j’essaye ! C’est l’occastion de tester.
heads up #Europe, if you want #sovereignty, there is an #European #chat solution that is #decentralized, #OpenSource, free, multi-platform, #encrypted, it is called #DeltaChat
it is doesn't require phone numbers or any data for registration! find it in your app store of choice
#Tauri maybe. Available on major desktop OSes as well as Android. But also note that the project might not be mature enough for your needs. There is also #Electron.
If you want to use Javascript, and you want your app to be lightweight, too, consider either vanilla or a light framework.
Also, if you want your app to have connectivity and be used by multiple people or devices(like you on multiple devices), you may want to take a look at #WebXDC
@sebsauvage Le fait qu'on ne puisse contacter qqn par #DeltaChat que si on a le lien ou le QR code, c'est très bien.
Mais du coup bien sûr, quelqu'un qui est sur DC ne peut pas '"annoncer" son identité, ou alors en publiant l'URL et/ou le QR code, ce qui est contre-productif.
De même, on n'a aucun moyen de vérifier que tel lien ou QR code qu'on a reçu a bien été émis par la personne qu'il prétend représenter.
Est-ce qu'il y a, ou est-ce qu'il est prévu, un tel mécanisme de vérification ? […]
@snap here, have another flyer to help you in your quest 👏👏👏
EDIT: fix typo in flyer
#DeltaChat #decentralization #privacy #linux #macos #ios #android #windows #software #encryption #communication #activism #flyer #poster
Je vois des informations très intéressantes sur Delta Chat et je me demandais. Ne serait ce pas intéressant que les développeuses et développeurs d' @element , @signalapp et @delta travaillent ensemble pour les rendre interopérables ? Comme ça ces alternatives se soutiendraient et pourraient se renforcer les unes et autres.
#signal #element #deltachat #interoperabilite
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@molly0xfff/117130669740897586
they will put anything in EN #wikipedia but a #DeltaChat page 💔
I have just migrated the family to @deltachat (from signal for some of
them). Are you aware of a small howto / flyer to share #deltachat with
teens? My wish is for #2 to encourage her friends to use it instead of
WhatsApp (of course) or even Olvid.
Beyond encryption, the way of adding contacts sounds a nice avantage to
me, reducing the risk of being connected with unwanted peoples (not
impossible but harder).
Any idea or feedback? :)
EN version of previous toot
Je viens de basculer la cellule familiale sous #deltachat (depuis signal
pour certaines). Connaissez vous un guide / flyer pour partager
#deltachat auprès des ados ? Mon souhait est que #2 encourage ses amies à
utiliser #deltachat plutôt que WhatApps (of course) ou Olvid.
Au delà du chiffrement, le mécanisme de miss en relation «explicite» me
semble un gros atout: réduction du risque de se retrouver exposé avec des
gens louches (pas impossible mais moins facile).
Vos avis?
Grâce à @sebsauvage , je redécouvre @delta , que j’avais abandonné à l’époque où il remplissait ta boîte mail de trucs bizarres.
https://sebsauvage.net/wiki/doku.php?id=deltachat
Je suis impressionné par les apps collaboratives que tu peux installer et par l’aspect décentralisé totalement transparent (brefk comme du mail).
Deux difficultés:
1) Sauvegarder régulièrement son compte pour cas de téléphone perdu
2) Convaincre celleux pour qui SIgnal était déjà difficile d’installer un enième chat ;-)
I've used DeltaChat for about 7 years. I even managed to get a few family and friends to install it for a while, so we the built-in AutoCrypt would encrypt our emails. But none of them stuck with it.
Until recently DC continued to be a great mobile app for my personal email account. However, the devs are slowly moving away from supporting my use case, in favour of DC being a client for dedicated ChatMail servers. Which leaves me scratching my head as to its utility.
(1/2)
From an end-user perspective, without consideration for security or network effect, which Whatsapp features are missing from:
1. #Signal - @signalapp
2. #Deltachat - @delta
3. #ArcaneChat - @arcanechat
So, if all your friends were suddenly with all 4 apps on their phone, which one will they eventually end up using? And why?
We built a full guide for Deltachat and put it at deltachat.wiki.
This is not the official Deltachat website. It is an unofficial community wiki written by TheMadOrg, released under GPLv3, so anyone can read it, copy it, fix it, and share it. We were tired of the useful knowledge living in forum threads, help pages, and scattered GitHub notes. If you already knew the project you could find it. If you were new, you got lost. The point of this wiki is to put the path in one place.
The guide has two forms. One is an ordinary website you open in a browser. The other is a Webxdc app that shows the same pages inside Deltachat itself. You send the file in a chat and the other person reads it there, with no browser and no need for the site. If the network dies, the guide is still in that conversation. We did not add that as decoration. We built it this way on purpose.
It has four languages from the first day: English, Persian, Russian, and Spanish. Persian is not an afterthought and not a machine dump. English is the source. If a fact is wrong we fix the English first and then carry the change to the other languages. If you can translate or improve a page, the repository is public and the door is open.
Here is what is inside today. It explains how Deltachat actually works: email underneath, a normal chat on top, no phone number, and you can still reach someone who has never installed the app. It covers installation on the usual systems, including F-Droid. It talks about privacy and security in plain language: where messages live, what a relay can see, and what it cannot. It also says clearly that this is not only a tool for the day the internet dies. It is for everyday chat, groups, files, calls, and mini-apps.
For people who want to build, it has Webxdc: small apps that stay inside the chat, with no store and no tracking, and they keep working offline after you receive them. It has bots. It has running your own server, both the usual Chatmail relay and Madmail, our single-binary fork of Maddy. One file is enough. It runs on a Raspberry Pi or a small VPS, for people who do not want to keep Postfix and Dovecot alive by hand.
We are not trying to replace the official documentation. We are trying to keep the path in one room, in more than one language, and in a file you can still open when the website is gone. If a page is missing, wrong, or weakly translated, bring it and we will fix it together.
https://deltachat.wiki
https://github.com/themadorg/deltachat-wiki
@sebsauvage Merci ! C'est hyper intéressant — j'en étais resté à l'histoire d'identifiant par e-mail. Depuis le temps que je voulais me pencher plus en détail sur #deltachat, ça tombe à pic. (Et ça clarifie les histoires de relai qui m'étaient un peu passées au-dessus)
Tu as des applis WebXdc que tu recommandes particulièrement ?
(δ) #DeltaChat
Bon, j'ai fini par faire une page sur mon Wiki concernant DeltaChat.
- avantages (pas de collecte de données, décentralisation, webxdc, etc.)
- comment il se compare à Signal.
- quelques précisions techniques importantes (Google GCM, rétention des messages...)
https://sebsauvage.net/wiki/doku.php?id=deltachat
S'il y a des choses qui seraient pertinentes à ajouter dans le comparatif avec Signal, n'hésitez pas à signaler ! (haha)
We built a full guide for Deltachat and put it at deltachat.wiki.
This is not the official Deltachat website. It is an unofficial community wiki written by TheMadOrg, released under GPLv3, so anyone can read it, copy it, fix it, and share it. We were tired of the useful knowledge living in forum threads, help pages, and scattered GitHub notes. If you already knew the project you could find it. If you were new, you got lost. The point of this wiki is to put the path in one place.
The guide has two forms. One is an ordinary website you open in a browser. The other is a Webxdc app that shows the same pages inside Deltachat itself. You send the file in a chat and the other person reads it there, with no browser and no need for the site. If the network dies, the guide is still in that conversation. We did not add that as decoration. We built it this way on purpose.
It has four languages from the first day: English, Persian, Russian, and Spanish. Persian is not an afterthought and not a machine dump. English is the source. If a fact is wrong we fix the English first and then carry the change to the other languages. If you can translate or improve a page, the repository is public and the door is open.
Here is what is inside today. It explains how Deltachat actually works: email underneath, a normal chat on top, no phone number, and you can still reach someone who has never installed the app. It covers installation on the usual systems, including F-Droid. It talks about privacy and security in plain language: where messages live, what a relay can see, and what it cannot. It also says clearly that this is not only a tool for the day the internet dies. It is for everyday chat, groups, files, calls, and mini-apps.
For people who want to build, it has Webxdc: small apps that stay inside the chat, with no store and no tracking, and they keep working offline after you receive them. It has bots. It has running your own server, both the usual Chatmail relay and Madmail, our single-binary fork of Maddy. One file is enough. It runs on a Raspberry Pi or a small VPS, for people who do not want to keep Postfix and Dovecot alive by hand.
We are not trying to replace the official documentation. We are trying to keep the path in one room, in more than one language, and in a file you can still open when the website is gone. If a page is missing, wrong, or weakly translated, bring it and we will fix it together.
https://deltachat.wiki
https://github.com/themadorg/deltachat-wiki
Digitalcourage has been doing digital rights work in Germany since 1987. They are the people behind the BigBrotherAwards. This is not a random blog post. They just updated their messenger guide.
For most people leaving WhatsApp, they still call Signal the best compromise. Then they say: if you want to go one step further, use Deltachat as well.
What they like about Deltachat is almost the same list I keep repeating.
No phone number.
No address book upload.
Decentralized relays.
End-to-end encryption on by default, including groups.
Free software.
You can get it from F-Droid.
You do not give any personal data to create an account.
They are honest about Signal too. It is easier to switch to. It is also one company, one pile of servers, on Amazon and Microsoft, under US law, and it still wants a phone number to register. In Germany that already bothers them. In Iran it is not a small detail.
Here a phone number is not just a contact. It is a SIM, an identity, something that can be cut. One centralized app is one switch. We have already watched WhatsApp, Telegram, and even the “safer” apps go dark or get squeezed. Moving from Telegram to Signal does not change that shape. It is still one door.
Deltachat is not magic. Digitalcourage themselves say it is still not widely used. That is the hard part, not the encryption. But the design matches how people here actually have to live: bad networks, sudden cuts, no trust in a single company, and a messenger you can keep when the usual ones disappear.
I have been saying we should stop treating Deltachat as only an emergency tool for blackouts. This guide is useful because a careful European digital-rights group reached the same technical conclusion from a quieter place. Everyday chat, not just the day the net dies.
Their full comparison:
https://digitalcourage.de/digitale-selbstverteidigung/messenger
We're flattered! @digitalcourage, one of the oldest digital rights organizations in Germany, just recommended using #deltachat
They included a fantastic, well-structured article in German on how to get started, with lots of good background info for those who seek it. https://digitalcourage.de/digitale-selbstverteidigung/messenger
Meet #PixelSocial: a private social network you can host without any server just in your chats! for example in the family chat to have a private social network that only the family can access to! or for a group of friends
if you want to test it, there is also a public anonymous instance where you can actually interact with strangers thanks to a bot that works as bridge:
#ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #chatmail #webxdc #bot #socialmedia #socialnetwork #miniapp #europe #european #privacy #anonymity #autonomy #digitalindependence #sovereignty
ArcaneChat / DeltaChat channel for you:
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Something changed on Linux Solus after the latest update of a lot of packages.
Now Delta.Chat won't start, it just shows an error message:
"Delta Chat had a problem - The window stopped responding and could not recover automatically. Reason: abnormal-exit (exit code 256)".
@delta@chaos.social
Have you got any idea about that behavior?
Parla ships the feature we always need it 😊 https://github.com/trufae/parla/commit/a765e41455f4e215b69e908138ae7a35a8835b6e #deltachat #chatmail
did you know you can browse a list of channels in different languages for your #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients???
Explore it at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
if you are using the latest version of ArcaneChat or DeltaChat 2.58.0+ you will be able to see the reactions to posts and react to them yourself!
this is really super cool:
https://likebutter.app/blog/butterbox-deltachat
quite some other projects try to solve "offline communications" by using Bluetooth but I think this is very unpractical for anything that is not looking like an IRC or SMS app
but if people setup local interconnected wifi hotspots and build a mesh network in the cities/towns then you can have a something much more interesting while not draining everyone's battery
enabling people to do things like this and becoming truly resilient and autonomous
things like this you can never do with centralized messengers like #WhatsApp, #Telegram, #Signal, etc. if you really care about digital independence, centralized alternatives are just NOT an option at all
#mesh_network #mesh #offlinefirst #deltachat #autonomy #privacy #security #freedom #resilience #decentralization #opensource #europe #european #digitalindependence #diday #butterbox
Découverte grâce à @rakoo :
L'équipe du Gardian Project intègre Delta Chat (aka @delta ) dans son projet ButterBox (une boîte pour créer n'importe où un réseau local, avec un app store f-droid accessible offline, des documents et vidéo et surtout un relay chatmail local pour créer un réseau local de communication sécurisé).
@abbas_dp This is amazing. Clearly a project ripof^H^H^H^H^H inspired by https://internet-in-a-box.org which I am totally not mad at, however it would be very cool if #DeltaChat found it in their hearts to extend their project to go include #iiab in some of these parallel efforts.
US$0.02++
@abbas_dp Wow, seems.like a useful project. And pleasantly surprised by #deltachat really shining here.
A really interesting and practical project from the #Guardian Project called #ButterBox is worth knowing about.
ButterBox is a portable, fully offline device (usually running on a Raspberry Pi). When you turn it on, it creates its own local Wi-Fi network. Anyone nearby can connect and access a set of tools without any internet connection:
• An offline app store (based on F-Droid)
• File, video, book and educational content sharing
• And most importantly — secure encrypted chat
What makes this project especially powerful is its deep integration with #deltachat The ButterBox team uses the MadMail server to run a local Chatmail Relay inside the box.
Users can create an offline account with just a single QR scan or one tap and immediately start using fully end-to-end encrypted messaging. Even when there’s no internet at all, messages, groups and files can be exchanged securely between people.
This is where DeltaChat really shines: decentralized, no central servers, real encryption, and designed for difficult conditions.
Combined with ButterBox, it becomes a genuine tool for secure communication during internet shutdowns, in remote areas, or in crisis situations.
It’s a pity that this project still isn’t widely known or deployed in Iran. The good news is that it’s completely open source and can be set up with a regular Raspberry Pi and an SD card. Pre-built images are also available, which makes the process even easier.
For anyone interested in privacy, offline communication, and tools that keep working when the internet goes down, ButterBox is one of the most valuable projects around right now.
Official site:
https://likebutter.app
on lance l'application on dit qu'on a pas de compte et paf on a un compte... pas de mot de passe, pas d'identifiant unique, pas de validation par sms, par mail, par captcha... (effet wahou)
on demande quand même un nom/pseudo à présenter aux gens...
bon le souci, c'est que je n'ai personne à qui parler... du coup je demande à ma femme si elle veut bien tester (l'appli est à un un click dans fdroid ou google play).
elle le fait, scan mon qr code et hop on chat...
on note que c'est plus rapide en wifi qu'en 5g mais c'est rapide dans les 2 cas.
j'essaye d'installer une application dans notre conversation (un jeu, je ne sais plus lequel...), je n'y arrive pas, elle teste de son côté et installe #betterlist
Mais elle est super cette app! rien que pour ça arcanechat va rester installé sur nos téléphones !!
(et peut-être remplacer whatsapp ?)
bref super expérience !
Is there a guide to launch a #chatmail instance on #FreeBSD to use with #DeltaChat ?
Boosts appreciated
Parla 0.7.6 with experimental webxdc support! it's not enabled by default because i didn't really evaluate how secure it is, but it's using gtkwebkit on gnome and wkwebkit on macos. (no windows support yet)
When built from source it's not enabled by default and it's an optional feature. If you are a distro maintainer please take that into account.
I'm looking for feedback and testing, i'll do some security assessments before enabling that feature by default. Be careful.
boostedjoin the one and only decentralized end-to-end encrypted anonymous lefty politics and climate activism memes channel in the world!
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even more channels at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
#memes #politics #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat
ArcaneChat / DeltaChat channel for you:
Debugging Memes - developer&linux memes, open source and other nerdy and tech related stuff, to join click here:
even more channels at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
#memes #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #linux #opensource #gnulinux #developers #development #dev
Everything You Think You Know About DeltaChat Is Wrong
https://blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/
boostedhappy #caturday! don't forget to be a little weird today and to join some #ArcaneChat channels! check the list at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
#chatmail #DeltaChat #channels #memes #news #politics #dev #developerjokes #comics #android #opensource #privacy #encryption #security
I gotta be honest, it's not a bad time to be a fish.
But since you are trapped in that human body, at least you can join the one and only decentralized end-to-end encrypted anonymous lefty politics and climate activism memes channel in the world!
Meme Logistics - Your go-to fun lefty memes supply chain
there is even more channels for you to discover at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
#memes #politics #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #climateChange #climate
Signal travaillerait sur une fonctionnalité d'enregistrement sans numéro de téléphone : https://aboutsignal.com/news/signal-is-working-on-registration-without-a-phone-number/
C'est une information intéressante, ça pourrait rendre Signal plus attractif dans un sens, mais niveau spam je ne sais pas ce que ça va donner.
A voir quelle forme ça va prendre et comment cela va se comparer à deltachat et SimpleX ?🤔
En tout cas c'est pas mal de voir Signal écouter les retours de la communauté 🤓
#signal #im #news #deltachat #simplex
The #BSDCafe #DeltaChat relay is currently offline because of an Hetzner node failure: "We are currently experiencing a fault on our cloud leaf hel1-cloud1-leaf9. Our technicians are working hard on analyzing the cause of the interruption in order to solve the issue. Please bear with us. As soon as more information is available, we shall inform you via this website. We apologize for any inconvenience. Thank you for your understanding."
@fastfinge @feld thanks for the pr on that repo, i pulled it in as well. @treefit and i are doing some interesting things with #hermes and #deltachat i've also started an xmpp integration, but i'm stuck on #omemo implementation which i always seem to trip up on that xep
had a chat recently on the topic of #building for yourself vs building for the #opensource #foss #community
#software to me is simply a tool to solve a problem. mostly my own problems. like many, problem-sets are often unique and don't have a one-size-fits-all.
one project in particular was me taking what i learned from running #deltachat relays and contributing upstream and making a very niche lean single-binary relay that's compatible with upstream. why? because i wanted to and i felt upstream was too many moving parts and decisions that don't align with what i want to be working on.
as soon as i released the binary to a few trusted testers the feedback was, "this is great, but upstream does this, or you should make it more scale-proof (noting that 70rps was too slow) for the community"
not one to be reactive, i thought about it for a few days. then decide no, i'm not changing anything. i built this for fun and learning, not for a community.
once i release this, the community is free to do with it whatever they like. fork it, light it on fire, crochet jorts, whatevs.
maybe this would have been a good paule f*ck you pay me situation. i donno anymore.
boosteddid you know you can browse a list of channels in different languages for your #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients???
Explore it at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
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and when one #chess game on #deltachat pumps the brakes, i work with #ai to improve my game. reverse-blueprinted #webxdc #chatmail and clients into #skills specific to my use case. spending time developing with the team in the past taught me domain knowledge to help improve agents. #agents aren't coming to deltachat and #chatmail. they're already here.
now let's make it easier for you to talk to your agents via deltachat.
i made a fork of the excellent https://github.com/Simon-Laux/hermes-deltachat-platform by a good guy that works a bit differently and will be referenced in an upcoming single binary relay ive been developing for several months.
run #hermes locally with a deltachat relay that you control and can run locally with baked in tunneling and auto-dns/tls. this is a great platform for skynet.
ArcaneChat / DeltaChat channel for you:
Debugging Memes - developer&linux memes, open source and other nerdy and tech related stuff, to join click here:
#memes #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #linux #opensource #gnulinux #developers #development #dev
join the one and only decentralized end-to-end encrypted anonymous lefty politics and climate activism memes channel in the world!
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#memes #politics #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat
I just had a cool #deltachat moment:
One of my chatmail relays went down. I messaged the admin without thinking about it. Because we both had a few backup relays configured, we were able to chat seamlessly about it over the same accounts we always use.
That is a smooth user experience. Well done, @delta!
The #DeltaChat server that I was using seems to have stopped working for receiving messages, which sucks 😞 but such is the nature of decentralisation 🤷
It's really easy just to start a new account on a new server - so that's not really a problem - but I'm lucky that I only have one contact that message on the app because "re-adding" people isn't super straight forward. 🤔
La mini app Better List ( #DeltaChat ) à retenu mon attention. Contrairement à Traero, si on l'ajoute à l'écran d'accueil du téléphone, on peut donner un nom différent à chaque liste (je me fais une page de listes sur l'accueil du tél). Bon, je continue mes recherches pour une liste de courses partagées. 😉
cc @alter_unicorn
#Signal troubleshooting - very odd support conversation
Yesterday afternoon I had a quick video call with someone using Signal and then I went to pick up my child from an afternoon summer program.
When I got home I realized that my phone wasn't receiving any new messages on Signal... but my computer was. Signal on my phone was completely frozen.
I followed a prompt and sent the most recent log to their support email. Then carried on with my life.
At some point, 2 hours later, I had a eureka moment: the last thing that worked was a call. Let's try the same thing.
So I called my mom and hung up (she was in the same room as me). After the call, all the Signal messages that had accumulated during the afternoon magically synched. Everything worked again! And then I found a new message by Signal saying "Welcome to the official Signal release chat!" Ok.
Glad I was distracted by my child and dinner because when I checked my email, I found a response from Signal support: "It appears the database is irrecoverably damaged. Unfortunately you will need to completely uninstall and then reinstall Signal. This will delete your message history. It cannot be recovered."
Say what? 😳
So I wrote back to Signal that I had fixed my issue by simply starting a call and then all the messages started synching again. I thanked them for their speedy reply and said everything was ok.
I did the bedtime routine for my child and before bed I checked my email again.
Two identical emails from Signal:
"Hello. We understand your frustration. We feel it too" HUH?
"There is no specific timeline for a resolution at this moment." WHAT RESOLUTION, I SAID I FIXED THE PROBLEM?
"Please keep in mind we are a small team and have limitations as a non-profit organization. Uninstalling and reinstalling is the only action available."
I feel for you Signal and I'm super grateful for all you do, but maybe your LLM support system needs some tweaking. Because this has got to be some LLM that misunderstood my reply.
Thank goodness I didn't wipe 6 years' worth of messages, gaaah.
Signal has been working perfectly ever since. Still, I'm now compiling a list of people I message on there as a contingency plan, should thing go awry again.
I've been using #DeltaChat more lately and more and really love it.
one more tale for #MySoCalledSudoLife
#DeltaChat utilisé avec l'appli ToDo List, pour la liste de courses partagée, c'est sympa, mais pas super efficace. Souvent ça met du temps en à charger.
Bon, c'est pas la but de DeltaChat, alors tant pis. Mais conséquence : j'ai toujours pas réussi à trouver aussi bien que google keep pour les listes de courses partagées avec ma compagne. C'est relou. (Surtout de confier sa liste de besoins à google, alors qu'on a pu virer google de presque toute notre vie numérique).
#molly, un fork de l'application #signal parvient désormais à échanger des messages en étant encore plus lent que l'email... En plus de nous imposer la #surveillance de la #bigtech, #signal oeuvre pour limiter les autres applications sur les serveurs loués à #amazon ! Certes la sécurité c'est bien, mais à ce prix non... Bien sûr des alternatives existent : je conseille #DeltaChat pour la famille et les amis et #simplex pour les trucs plus militants...
boostedCollision fort à propos de pouet dans ma TL
(explication de la blague dans le alt )
(oui, Delta Chat aka @delta c'est la solution qu'il vous faut)
#Chat
#UE
#UnionEuropéenne
#ChatControl
#Surveillance
#DeltaChat
@Roland @wwwcdorg
Beaucoup d'erreurs et d'oublis dans ce texte.
Le plus grand oubli : #DeltaChat qui est à l'heure actuelle l'une des meilleures, sinon la meilleure, messageries.
À savoir :
- SimpleX est financé et utilisé par l'extrême droite ;
- le serveur de Signal est sur Amazon aux USA ;
- Briar accepte juste du texte (pas de photos, pas d'échanges tél ou vidéo) ;
Quelque un a une idée si #DeltaChat bloque les requêtes externes qui partiraient d'une application web intégrée à une discussion ?
> une fuite de données serait alors possible...
Maybe @yifei could update us about the status of #DeltaChat in #Debian? I can see that it's on salsa [1], and I see a wishlist item for the #DeltaTouch client [2], including a comment about #LibDeltaChat being prepared for Debian. Debianisation will be one step in making DeltaChat more mainstream.
[1] https://salsa.debian.org/debian/deltachat
[2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1127651
After I was arrested, I decided to change the way we promote and introduce DeltaChat. Until then, we had always presented DeltaChat merely as a communication channel for when the internet goes down in Iran, and people used it exactly for that reason.
But now that DeltaChat has drawn so much attention in Iran, and even someone like me has been arrested for promoting it, I think it's much wiser to shift our content strategy. Instead of portraying DeltaChat only as a way out during internet blackouts, it's better to introduce it as a practical, everyday tool.
Honestly, getting back into this kind of work is very difficult for me. But still, I genuinely believe it can be very helpful and I feel I have to do it.
My goal is for ordinary people in Iran to use DeltaChat for its actual features and built-in tools, not just as an emergency app. Ultimately, I want DeltaChat to become a mainstream, everyday messenger here in our own Iran at least here and maybe, just maybe, even help people in other places too. But well, that's exactly the big challenge.
the list of #ArcaneChat channels in #Russian grew quite a lot! 15 channels listed now, thanks a lot to @gluek for bridging the #Telegram channels!
#DeltaChat #chatmail #Russia #news #Россия #новости #decentralization #opensource #privacy #encryption #memes #channels #bot #bridge
the #ArcaneChat channels list now also has #Russian channels
the list is rather short, if you know someone with a channel in Russian that would like to add it to the list, tell them to contact me
Neuer Kanal für #ArcaneChat, #DeltaChat und andere #Chatmail-Apps!
islieb - Kleine Comics übers Leben, die Liebe und den ganzen behämmerten Rest. 🍪
Website: islieb.de
Tritt über diesen Einladungslink bei:
https://i.delta.chat/#EB87F92DC57303205E7F3ACB6DAA06D8FE761414&v=3&x=4UzsE5z8drgVPVXk36f7HslX&j=YU-C44pLWKhydHHuv68iNWC2&s=gbEvGxSpKGKGsArbSRAnooxl&a=6j2tb0xyz%40arcanechat.me&n=ChannelsBot&b=islieb
Entdecke diesen und weitere Kanäle hier:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
I've been recommending people use/try #DeltaChat more than #Signal and it's worked far better than I thought! It's screen reader friendly also, across desktop and mobile! At least, on Windows anyway. https://delta.chat/en/help#multiclient #Chat #Privacy
Die ArcaneChat-Kanalliste enthält jetzt auch deutsche Kanäle!
#ArcaneChat #Deutschland #deutsche #German #DeltaChat #Fridaysforfuture #dielinke #tagesschau #derpostillon #Neuigkeiten
I've been recommending people use/try #DeltaChat more than #Signal and it's worked far better than I thought! It's screen reader friendly also, across desktop and mobile! At least, on Windows anyway. https://delta.chat/en/help#multiclient #Chat #Privacy
@costalfy actually we added more channels!
we updated https://arcanechat.me/channels to support listing channels in different languages and added some more French channels!
La sale mentalité de violeurs des instances européennes : Chat Control, texte déjà rejetté deux fois et forcé une troisième fois est finalement passé aujourd'hui grâce à une manœuvre procédurale inédite.
⤵️
https://www.lesnumeriques.com/societe-numerique/une-farce-qui-endommage-la-democratie-l-ue-vient-d-autoriser-la-fouille-de-vos-messages-prives-chat-control-est-adopte-n259100.html
Toutes vos conversations (oui meme Signal et évidemment Whatsapp) vont pouvoir être lues.
🤬💀
(C'est peut-être le moment d'essayer Delta Chat https://delta.chat/fr car décentralisé, il sera difficile de surveiller tout les relays 🫣)
@sinux @Natouille L’idée serait d’expliquer les dangers des outils des GAFAM pour l’organisation des actions militantes (GMail, WhatsApp…), puis de proposer des outils et des bonnes pratiques à mettre en place.
La base : #CryptPad + #Signal
Okazou : #DeltaChat, réseaux #Mesh…
WOW!!! @treefit got #DeltaChat (with chatmail core and all!!!) running in the browser!
this prototype is incredibly awesome and working way too good already!
there was some #Tauri version of Delta Chat desktop but that still was just about displaying the UI in the browser, you still depend on a local program and local #chatmail core in your machine
with this the whole thing is running on the client side in your browser tab! the chatmail core is compiled into #wasm
still since you can't connect to IMAP and SMTP from javascript, a proxy is needed to get this prototype working but JUST IMAGINE if chatmail relays would support/allow clients to connect via websocket or http!
E P I C !
Parla 0.6.2 comes with some interesting experimental and privacy-related features! #deltachat #gnome https://github.com/trufae/parla/releases/tag/0.6.2
@rzeta0
i'm not surprised anymore.
#signal leaked my phone number, despite being set to hidden. this enabled cops to deanonymize and geolocate me by capturing the phone of someone who i never gave my phone number. great job for this app that is advertised to activist and journalists as "secure" and "private".
there are several of such number leak bugs and footgun settings:
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/13824
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/issues/14222
https://www.jwz.org/blog/2017/03/signal-leaks-your-phone-number-to-everyone-in-your-contacts/
and if you have signal installed, anyone can monitor your device usage timings, even if you have no contact with them:
https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/three-billion-whatsapp-users-are-at-risk-an-expert-has-developed-a-tool-that-could-spy-on-everyone-and-you-would-never-know-about-it
also, only allowing one account makes it hard to separate different activities (family, business, activism) but makes it easier for adversaries to track users across multiple group chats.
worst of all is that because pretty much everyone now believe that "signal is safe," they'll insist that it's you who are using it wrong if you have an issue.
i think #deltachat has made more sensible decisions here by allowing multiple identities abs not demanding any private information, and also being decentralized instead of hosting it all on #amazon web services like #signal does.
Channel for #ArcaneChat, #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients:
New Atlas: Technology
Technology News. Extraordinary ideas and innovations moving the world forward.
that and more channels at:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
one of the benefits of #hacking on an early project like #deltanet is being able to take a rattle-can and make your own graffiti
let's see if the author allows me to tag his building without a permit.
this is like the most exciting project i've experienced this year. bringing #fediverse like social web to #deltachat
if this pops off like i think it might, that whole fedi it's over trope may no longer be a trope
J'ai créé la page Wikipedia présentant Delta chat en Français https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Chat
(coucou @delta )
S'il y a des wikipedien qui veulent aider à améliorer un peu ? (poke @sebsauvage )
WOW decentralized and ENCRYPTED social media over #chatmail this is such an epic prototype!
the fun part is that by using chatmail:
- DMs are already end-to-end encrypted
- your identity is your encryption key and doesn't depend on a single home server
- your profile is basically uncensorable
since you need to give people your invite link it is kind of like private social network
https://github.com/lambadalambda/deltanet/
#ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #chatmail #socialmedia #fediverse #mastodon #encryption #e2ee
Et y a (toujours pas) pas Unifiedpush dans DeltaChat
Je comprend vraiment pas cette manie, du coup quand tu as pas les Google Services de MERDE tu te tape une notif constante qui bouffe ta batterie.#Unifiedpush #DeltaChat
@adbenitez @silverpill having multi-relay like #deltachat or #nostr would be great. im not sure if this will ever happen. much less nomadic identity. one of the guys in our research group broke it down as to why it won't work (mostly mastodon)
visibility is a problem at times. some relays block or don't federate based on size, who you proxy through, etc. relays help but they don't solve the portable identity issue.
nostr is interesting. the tech/spec is light and pretty great. i think its like anything else, what you make of it. you can curate your network based on relays and interests. we should try some experiment soon
reflecting a lot on #fediverse lately. instance hopping is such an event and sometimes disruptive. ive spent a lot of time running #chatmail relays and until recently contributing to upstream. we can relay hop and its almost silent. your cryptographic identity is owned by you, not the relay operator. giving you a feeling or being nomadic. servers go down, operators retire or fade out. but you keep your identity.
this works great for #deltachat and enjoy the flexibility. but #activitypub doesn't have an agreed upon implementation. @silverpill is doing great work with his research and #mitra ecosystem. my hopes are eventually we'll see this on fedi across the ecosystems.
Yo les enfants.
J'essaie de pousser mon asso de boiseux de partir de WhatsApp.
Évidemment se pose la question des alternatives.
Je suis très intéressé par #deltachat , mais il y a des propos pour passer à #signal ou #telegram .
J'ai vu passer des infos niveau sécurité, fuites etc.
Est-ce que vous pourriez me balancer des infos ? Que ce soit au niveau de la techno, de la Sécu, mais aussi éthique et moral (genre ya des casseroles ?)
Merci la commu !
(Boost apprécié)
@autistics There were 5 of us this week. It was super fun!
We decided to make a #deltachat group (specific to this server), as the "Talk" feature in Voxelibre is quite limited (as are Mastodon DMs when you have several people at once). A link to this "Voxelibre Chat" group is in the wiki for this server - see link in OP. #Voxelibre #luanti #OpenSource
The highlight this week was @murdoc 's awesome tower.
channel for #ArcaneChat, #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients:
It's FOSS: Making You a Better Linux User
📢 you can discover that and more channels at: https://arcanechat.me/channels
Dites, histoire de peupler et m'habituer à #DeltaChat, vous avez des canaux intéressants à suivre ? (et/ou avec des apps pour que je découvre ça ?)
channel for #ArcaneChat, #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients:
Anime Corner: News & Features Straight From Japan. A reliable source of news about anime and Japan
RE: https://mastoot.fr/@SchtroumpfGrognon/116851207659951748
OMG !
l'ami @sebsauvage est défintivement ZE influenceur !!!
😱 😂
Ouais je sais, je suis chiant avec #DeltaChat.
Mais vous avez quoi ? C'est un petit recoin d'internet qu'on s'approprie. Un petit coin à l'abris des bots débiles, des moteurs de recherche, de l'appétit de données des GAFAMs, des databrokers et des boîtes d'IA, loin des influenceurs et des accros aux "likes". Un endroit pour les humains, quoi. C'est serein et confortable. (oui un peu comme le Fedi.)
I'm curious about what people think is the goto, best, distributed, federated messaging protocol? #XMPP was cool back in the day but I can't really see a way forward with it.
I know #Matrix is a thing and it's the way I'm leaning.
I've also heard of #DeltaChat but don't know anything about it.
What is the default goto messaging protocol and service for people in the #Fediverse and #IndieWeb?
🎉 New channel for #ArcaneChat, #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients:
Greenpeace International: Greenpeace exists because this fragile Earth deserves a voice. It needs solutions. It needs change. It needs action.
With automated posts from @greenpeace
here is the invite link 👇️️
https://i.delta.chat/#EB87F92DC57303205E7F3ACB6DAA06D8FE761414&v=3&x=OVB2LD5FvbhhrYHzkdBQU50p&j=uxWwBrg1nDUH08i3wgVuw6US&s=hpmcA1sjEKnnc2s71Y7_Bsf4&a=6j2tb0xyz%40arcanechat.me&n=ChannelsBot&b=Greenpeace+International
#politics #activism #ClimateChange #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #privacy #anonymous #security #europe #european
join the one and only decentralized end-to-end encrypted anonymous lefty politics and climate activism memes channel in the world!
Meme Logistics - Your go-to fun lefty memes supply chain
here is the invite link 👇️️
https://i.delta.chat/#818297831FAA0AB9917497FA5B145F41993374F1&v=3&x=xusVctOPSGOA6oFq4esfR68V&j=YspskxfxoImavuPj3qFTuX7H&s=d1sWSLq-ceUR9x5nJpWX7dLa&a=207nv967sz55do78f1xj%40chat.in%2Dthe.eu&n=Meme+Logistics&b=Meme+Logistics
#memes #politics #fun #meme #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #ClimateChange
I hate this context menu from Parla so badly #deltachat i need to think about better design of the options, but at least the options are there now. Am I missing any? how would you expect these to be organized instead?
die einen kommen mit so meldungen quasi ins "fernsehen".
andere brauchten noch nie eine telefonnummer.
Heads up for #golang Chatmail bots developers:
The Chatmail API for Go library got a new release to support the latest chatmail core 2.53.0
https://github.com/chatmail/rpc-client-go
#chatmail #deltachat #bots #dev #devs #developer #api #e2ee #privacy #security #opensource #go #programming #automation
new channel for #ArcaneChat, #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients (encrypted email newsletter!)
Pluralistic - Daily links from Cory Doctorow
The channel is auto-generated from @pluralistic 's #RSS feed
here is the invite link 👇️
https://i.delta.chat/#EB87F92DC57303205E7F3ACB6DAA06D8FE761414&v=3&x=qGsBzEyxwfXZHdC3c_xgTSt4&j=dfmqdw31uNWGhZOWTmC9kt6m&s=V-0OT8cqMFvtYK5kH7E2Phcy&a=6j2tb0xyz%40arcanechat.me&n=ChannelsBot&b=Pluralistic
#newsletter #encryption #e2ee #privacy #decentralization #email #blog
new ArcaneChat channel for you:
Street Art Utopia - We declare the world as our canvas!
Website: streetartutopia.com
Mastodon: @streetartutopia
here is the invite link 👇️
https://i.delta.chat/#EB87F92DC57303205E7F3ACB6DAA06D8FE761414&v=3&x=MgHEG7vN3vvZdX3fA38ATHwk&j=BuL4xJ-tKn7MUeFq4CXK04m6&s=k58srCpWmRoJvvshCf2Icg7j&a=6j2tb0xyz%40arcanechat.me&n=ChannelsBot&b=Street+Art+Utopia
#ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #chatmail #decentralization #encryption #privacy #e2ee #autonomy #digitalindependence #europe #european #photography #artist #art #streetart #streetartutopia #android #openSource #email #graffiti #activism
Is there a way to recover a Delta Chat account if someone uninstalls and reinstalls the app on the same phone within a few days without making a backup or adding a second device?
new ArcaneChat channel for you:
Buni - Buni is a dark comic about an optimistic bunny with terrible luck.
Artist: Ryan
Website: https://www.bunicomic.com
here is the invite link 👇
https://i.delta.chat/#EB87F92DC57303205E7F3ACB6DAA06D8FE761414&v=3&x=Y3pDrb-vc-TBru-KS5H0F_25&j=7d-o0B4hvWwxianajAFyvfXm&s=Q0lLQSPxZn495mdZ7G_zoQqM&a=6j2tb0xyz%40arcanechat.me&n=ChannelsBot&b=Buni
#ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #chatmail #buni #comics #comic #meme #decentralization #encryption #privacy #e2ee #autonomy #digitalindependence #europe #european #webcomic #email #channels #channel
new ArcaneChat channel for you:
Leftist Gamer Memes: Crafting memes, comrade. ☭ content provided by https://leftistgamermemes.com
here is the invite link!
https://i.delta.chat/#EB87F92DC57303205E7F3ACB6DAA06D8FE761414&v=3&x=-FVyUanRixV_lqFCSrh9ZLmA&j=QY9vRTOyE_A3M7lwOJKO8UBi&s=NmIRaJZpEoPTwepRda5VYAg8&a=6j2tb0xyz%40arcanechat.me&n=ChannelsBot&b=Leftist+Gamer+Memes
#communism #transRights #trans #gay #LGBT #LGBTQ #leftist #leftwing #communist #games #gamer #artist #workersRights #workers #ArcaneChat #decentralization #security #privacy #encryption #european #europe #openSource #autonomy #anonymous #DeltaChat #meme #memes #capitalism #politics
woah!! it is hot... just like this new ArcaneChat channel:
Twonks: a funny, offbeat webcomic series combining rude and twisted humor with a cast of cute but ultimately stupid characters.
you can join via this invite link:
https://i.delta.chat/#EB87F92DC57303205E7F3ACB6DAA06D8FE761414&v=3&x=F7hsuSLrI6-oOt2vYtZyHni8&j=ouhN66ogZdpwhHhxtiHYHo7N&s=WKRB0o4bjlUWQamUwag9nt9G&a=6j2tb0xyz%40arcanechat.me&n=ChannelsBot&b=Twonks
#ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #chatmail #twonks #comics #comic #meme #decentralization #encryption #privacy #e2ee #autonomy #digitalindependence #europe #european #webcomic #email
I will not set up another chat platform. I will not set up another chat platform. I will not set up another chat platform. I will not set up another chat platform…
So um… #xmpp or #DeltaChat?
new channel for #ArcaneChat, #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients:
heyokyay (content by @heyokyay )
Comics about life, love and all the cats in between. 🍪
(NOTE: the channel is auto-generated from heyokyay's official #RSS feed)
#comics #decentralization #encryption #resilience #Autonomy #anonymity
Bonsoir les Chtis et plus largement les Français. Si vous utilisez #DeltaChat, vous pouvez choisir un serveur relais près de chez vous, à #Roubaix (chez #OVH) : https://d.gaufr.es/
[* Edit: serveur mis à dispo par @Kooda - 🙏]
I got a question for #deltachat users: since it is fully anonymous and doesn't relies on nor exposes phone numbers or any other personal data, there is no way to ensure someone is the person they pretend to be unless you've personally invited them (or was added through a contact in common).
So do you recommend publicly sharing or exposing you connect link/qr code?
I feel like it's a strength of Deltachat but also a potential drawback as it slows down connecting with people, what do you think?
RE: https://amicale.net/@afpfr/116799386606167220
Curieux de voir comment ils vont monétiser tout ça
IA dans les conversations qui propose des produits ? Siphonage pur et simple des messages pour mettre des pubs ciblées ? Les 2 en même temps ?
Gagnez du temps et passez à #deltachat
https://delta.chat/fr/
Did you know you can join Ars Technica ( @arstechnica ) channel via #ArcaneChat, #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients?
it is a completely encrypted channel! like you have never seen before in other platforms that have channels! for example in #Telegram and #WhatsApp all channels are unencrypted!
also the channel is uncensorable!
(NOTE: the channel is generated from official Ars Technica RSS feed)
#encryption #decentralization #privacy #anonymity #security #news #Europe #European
next #deltachat #ios version is coming with #liquidglass 🥛 thanks Amzd for the work. though frustrating being forced by #bigtech to do things that may not be loved and feel superfluous, it's wanted by many meanwhile.
there are still some things to tweak, we created an issue at https://github.com/deltachat/deltachat-ios/issues/3157 . on-point help is welcome - and already ongoing thanks to some new contributors ❤️
join the one and only decentralized end-to-end encrypted anonymous lefty politics and climate activism memes channel in the world!
Meme Logistics - Your go-to fun lefty memes supply chain
#memes #politics #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat
two new Linux channels for you! now available in #ArcaneChat, #DeltaChat and other #chatmail clients!
basically encrypted email newsletters, how cool is that???
Channels name:
It's FOSS by @itsfoss
nixCraft by @nixCraft
You can discover the channels invitation link here:
https://arcanechat.me/channels
#email #encryption #rss #OpenSource #linux #decentralization
Ah tiens, pour ajouter #DeltaChat sur un deuxième appareil, les deux doivent être dans le même réseau 🤔
Bon, j'ai du causer autant sur #deltachat que sur masto aujourd'hui....
Les copaines, vous savez ou me trouver hein....
et le client @arcanechat est sympa sur android...
Bon là je viens de finir #stolensword sur #deltachat/ArcaneChat et le dernier niveau c'était pas de la tarte 😭
Franchement dommage qu'il y ait pas plus de niveau (enfin on dirait qu'il y en a mais sur la version mobile du jeu auquel celui-ci a été forké).
Bref j'arrive pas à trouver la versionb complète du jeu, surtout qu'il est sorti en 2020 et pas de mise à jour depuis 😶
Good news for #ArcaneChat / #DeltaChat users:
there is a new small (hopefully growing in the near future) list of public channels for you to join and get more content inside the app!
there is already several channels about different topics, from #food / #recipes, #news, #cybersecurity, #technology, #science, #politics, even gossips!
@lutindiscret I don't mean to disqualify #deltachat. I use it and some people knows me as the one who introduced deltachat to them.
Discussion like this is a positive for me. To let anyone more knowing what will happen and what is the risks.
And if there are some solutions, people also can knows that by reading any replies.
ArcaneChat / DeltaChat channel for you:
Debugging Memes - developer&linux memes, open source and other nerdy and tech related stuff, to join click here:
#memes #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat #linux #opensource #gnulinux #developers #development #dev
join the one and only decentralized end-to-end encrypted anonymous lefty politics and climate activism memes channel in the world!
Meme Logistics - Your go-to fun lefty memes supply chain
#memes #politics #fun #meme #channel #decentralization #encryption #e2ee #ArcaneChat #DeltaChat
One bigest risky problem with any kind of peer-to-peer (p2p) that many users don't realize is about leaking your IP.
Yes, no central server may sound good. But direct p2p bring other problems. When using central server as a relay, only the central server knows your IP, not your p2p partner. But as we move to p2p, your partner will knows itu because communication will be direct between you and your partner.
Unfortunately, most messaging apps use p2p communication for voice/video call to optimize latency and they don't warn users about the risk of ip leaks. At least, on #whatsapp we can enable relaying so our IP address protected.
But there's no option about it on #deltachat
Unfortunately it will be hard to implemented call relay on deltachat, because it doesn't have central server. Maybe we need to create public relay server to accomodate it.
The simplest solution is to allow user to disable call feature.
@novarivera @bjornsdottirs our first pinned post here goes to a detailed description of (no) metadata in messages, including openpgp handling. The way #chatmail and #deltachat works and handles encryption and metadata-minimization is quite different from how email clients of the last ten years did it.
@STP_KITT We actually also got a lot of people being thankful that they could remove messages they had sent to the wrong chat, sometimes with sensitive info. See also https://www.typing.com/br/articles/making-digital-mistakes
As to editing one's own messages, we didn't hear many complaints although in theory it could be problematic. Mostly it's used for typo-fixing and fixing some grammatical nonsense, or some inline web-link. #deltachat is meant for usage with somewhat trusted people, not unknown people who try to trick you.
Everything You Think You Know About #DeltaChat Is Wrong
https://blog.feld.me/posts/2025/03/deltachat-is-actually-good-though/
> I am smitten with #Delta_Chat... Delta #Chat has been making massive strides lately and I think you should consider using it as your full time secure #messenger.
N'empêche si on fait une simple comparaison entre #Matrix / #Element et #deltachat, je préfère largement deltachat. Pas de délai de synchronisation des messages à cause de serveur trop lourd et gourmand en ressources, et une expérience utilisateur qui reste raisonnable.
Peut être que ça sera bien l'avenir de la messagerie instanée dans le libre ?
Note de service aux copaines :
[EDIT] lien ajouté au profil [/EDIT]
à cause de certains influenceurs mastodoniens (coucou @sebsauvage 😜 ), j'ai maintenant #deltachat (au cas ou mais pourquoi pas en principal avec certain⋅e⋅s d'entre vous)
Qu'on se le dise (ou pas...😂 )
🖖🏼
@sebsauvage Je peux essayer #DeltaChat tout en conservant Signal ?
Pas de contre-indications ? (sécheresse, rougeurs, glaucome...)
#DeltaChat
Ok je viens de jeter un coup d'oeil dans les applis : C'est très cool.
Calendrier partagé, édition de texte collaborative, sondages/votes/planification de dates, checklists, comptes à rebour, HyperCard, dessin, suivi du temps (timetracking), tableur, mini-blog/journal (exportable en html/pdf), suivi de tâches, liste de dépenses en commun, liste de souhaits...
Et le tout, sans sortir de l'application, et chiffré de bout en bout pour les participants. 👌
RE: https://framapiaf.org/@sebsauvage/116753870544429310
J'ai délaissé #Signal pour #DeltaChat depuis un bon moment déjà et je ne regrette rien. Tout au contraire ce n'est que du bonheur ! Et la plupart de mes contacts, ont finit par me rejoindre.
Pilou 🐧⚔️ boosted#MessageriesChiffrées
Plus le temps passe, plus je me dis que DeltaChat est une purin de bonne idée.
J'essaie de poser les raisons qui me font apprécier DeltaChat (et aussi ce qui la distingue de Signal): https://sebsauvage.net/links/?cdQxCA
Not about #DeltaChat, which not anymore what used to be.
Delta Chat is even better than it used to be 🙄 now it even has multi-path / multi-relay support and pain-free migration of servers/addresses without even needing to create new profiles and tell everyone you changed address/server, meaning it is more resilient and powerful than most decentralized solutions out there, including the one you mention, matrix, which heavily makes you dependent in your home-server, same and worse goes for xmpp, you are pretty bound to your chosen server and in the case of XMPP if the server where you created a group goes down, your groups is gone
this just doesn't happen in Delta Chat since groups are really decentralized and totally independent of any server, meaning they are also unblockable
but besides that, Matrix and XMPP are less user-friendly and more problematic in multi-device setup, while in Delta Chat this is pain-free
also in Delta Chat now it is impossible to end up with encryption disabled in the chat, encryption is permanent, for ALL chat content and group metadata, in matrix and XMPP this is not the case, in XMPP it is super easy to end up with encryption disabled, disabling encryption is like 3 taps away on a chat 🤦♂️ in matrix reactions are not encrypted etc.
Impressed by how well DeltaChat works nowadays!
I could easily create an account without sharing any details. Connect with a friend's Android based phone & an iPhone. We could videocall & send small apps like a game or a shared list.
Apparently I can host my own chat relay & don't need to use someone else's infrastructure, but I haven't tested that yet.
This might be my Signal replacement. Well done @delta
It's hard these days to find a unifying description, or know about all the people and communities involved in #deltachat #chatmail #webxdc developments. One shared sentiment probably is wanting to develop anti-authoritarian technologies and cultures around it, and being opposed to authoritarian tech policy moves in the West, chat control, age verification, prescribing Google/Apple control, enforcing digital app use etc
It's also a reason we are only posting on the fediverse bridged to bsky.
Chat video with #deltachat between android and iOS , first try, success.
It's really pleasant.
Many thanks @delta
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@KatjaDiehl Pssst: Signal speichert alle Daten wenn auch verschlüsselt zentral, und verwendet dafür die Server-Infrastruktur von Amazon, Google, Microsoft und Cloudflare. Die Domain signal.org ist bei Amazon Web Services registriert. Das geht durchaus auch anders. Probier doch mal #DeltaChat aus (die App gibts in den Playstores). Fühlt sich meines Erachtens nicht anders an als Signal. Ist aber anders. So krass anders wie E-Mail, also genau so krass anders wie auch das Fediverse ;-)
@delta what is this for a statement? "#deltachat is going proprietary with #chatmail relays"
As far as I can see the relay software is still licensed under MIT. Are there any changes planned, regarding this?
A note on "#deltachat is going proprietary with #chatmail relays":
1) It's all based on IETF standards, with configuration and custom integration code fully FOSS and documented at: https://chatmail.at/doc/relay/ with hundreds of permission-free deployments.
2) We know of several alternative relay implementations and deployments
3) Own servers or big email providers can be used (YMMV)
However it's fair to criticize our relentless focus on E2EE, and our moving away from email addresses as identity.
What do you think is unique about the #deltachat project in the realm of secure cross-platform messaging?
You tell us :)
I'm officially one of you. Whenever I see graphics about digital sovereignty and moving away from Big Tech, I go: "well, actually" - especially when I see Signal suggested as an alternative to WhatsApp.
My first thought: Signal is pretty centralized, #DeltaChat would be a far superior alternative 🙈🙉🙊
Disclaimer: I use both (Signal and DeltaChat) but I really wish I could move all my convos to @Delta@chaos.social. Slowly convincing one person at a time...
I got a new phone, and I tried out #Deltachat's "I already have a profile" -> "Add as a Second Device" feature (synced profile from old phone to new phone). It was as simple as scanning a QR code, and both phones were on the same wifi network (where they get many tens of MB/sec). Synced like blazing full powah!
Chefkiss! 🤌
#OpenSource
I tried to do a similar migration to my new phone in #Signal. I must say #Deltachat had the superior experience. Deltachat was willing to sort of "straddle" two phones with one account (see parent toot).
But Signal? It does a transfer of messages to the new phone, then logs out of the old phone. Then my desktop needed to be "re-linked" to the new phone. This "linking" (done with a QR bar code) that Signal can do: it's phone -> Desktop, or phone-> iPad. But not old phone -> new phone (and then you get an ongoing synced "straddling" of one profile).
Ça fait trop longtemps que j’ai pas forcé sur #deltachat ici mais là je viens de me faire la remarque que ça fonctionnait vraiment super bien
Par ailleurs je sais pas ce qu’ils ont foutu mais on peut maintenant envoyer des gros fichiers
Si vous voulez tester, je vous conseille le client #arcanechat https://arcanechat.me/ très facile à utiliser et très rapide à installer. 2 clicks pour obtenir un compte et c’est parti 